1 00:00:00,085 --> 00:00:03,085 There's been a murder. I wouldn't have rung normally, 2 00:00:03,085 --> 00:00:04,085 but this one's unusual. 3 00:00:04,085 --> 00:00:07,085 Fun and games in here. Ray Collins, arrested two and a half years ago 4 00:00:07,085 --> 00:00:10,085 on suspicion of sexual assault of children under 13. 5 00:00:10,585 --> 00:00:13,585 I struggled to cope with the guilt of what he did. 6 00:00:13,585 --> 00:00:15,585 It's a scar that never fades. 7 00:00:15,585 --> 00:00:18,585 We're dealing with two accused yet unconvicted paedophiles, 8 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:21,585 both attacked with unusual brutality. 9 00:00:21,585 --> 00:00:23,625 This could just be the start. 10 00:00:23,625 --> 00:00:24,945 She's my daughter, 11 00:00:24,945 --> 00:00:27,585 and we will all be scarred by this for the rest of our lives. 12 00:00:27,585 --> 00:00:29,585 She used the same words. 13 00:00:29,585 --> 00:00:34,585 Mr Regis, it is my responsibility to inform you, you are free to go. 14 00:00:34,585 --> 00:00:36,585 Revenge diminishes us. 15 00:00:36,585 --> 00:00:40,105 When you decide you have the right to enact your own punishment, 16 00:00:40,105 --> 00:00:41,585 where does it lead? 17 00:01:09,895 --> 00:01:12,905 Synced and corrected by MaxPayne == https://subscene 00:01:57,785 Hi. 19 00:01:57,785 --> 00:01:59,585 Oh, sorry, man. 20 00:02:01,585 --> 00:02:02,585 Did I wake you up? 21 00:02:02,585 --> 00:02:04,945 No, no. No, you're good. 22 00:02:04,945 --> 00:02:06,585 I made some coffee. You want some? 23 00:02:06,585 --> 00:02:08,585 Er... Sure. 24 00:02:13,585 --> 00:02:15,585 Do you want some milk? Some sugar? 25 00:02:15,585 --> 00:02:16,585 No, thanks. 26 00:02:20,585 --> 00:02:22,585 So, how're you getting on with Hal? 27 00:02:22,585 --> 00:02:24,585 Erm... 28 00:02:24,585 --> 00:02:25,785 Harry. Oh! 29 00:02:25,785 --> 00:02:27,265 Great, man. 30 00:02:27,265 --> 00:02:28,585 He's a really good boy. 31 00:02:28,585 --> 00:02:30,585 Yeah. 32 00:02:30,585 --> 00:02:31,585 Yeah, he's great. 33 00:02:31,585 --> 00:02:35,585 They can be hard work, though, sometimes, can't they, kids? 34 00:02:35,585 --> 00:02:36,945 Yeah. 35 00:02:36,945 --> 00:02:40,585 He comes to stay here quite a bit, to give his mum break, 36 00:02:40,585 --> 00:02:45,585 and, I mean, he can be a right little sod. 37 00:02:47,265 --> 00:02:50,585 The amount of times that I have nearly... 38 00:02:53,585 --> 00:02:55,585 You know? 39 00:02:57,585 --> 00:02:59,585 But that's the deal, isn't it? 40 00:02:59,585 --> 00:03:03,585 As a parent, or uncle, or anyone, really, who's in charge of kids. 41 00:03:05,585 --> 00:03:07,585 You've gotta be better than that. 42 00:03:11,585 --> 00:03:13,585 Yeah. 43 00:03:16,585 --> 00:03:19,265 So there's no obvious connection in the three cases at the CPS, 44 00:03:19,265 --> 00:03:22,585 and the lawyers handling the Statham, Collins and Dawlish cases 45 00:03:22,585 --> 00:03:24,585 were all different. And? 46 00:03:24,585 --> 00:03:28,585 And Statham was attacked in early 2015. 47 00:03:28,585 --> 00:03:30,785 Why would the assailant then wait over two years 48 00:03:30,785 --> 00:03:33,585 before attacking two more in as many days? I don't know. 49 00:03:33,585 --> 00:03:34,585 I just... 50 00:03:34,585 --> 00:03:37,585 I just think it's significant that all three were attacked in ways 51 00:03:37,585 --> 00:03:40,585 that inflicted fairly uniquely appalling violence. 52 00:03:40,585 --> 00:03:42,625 I'm saying why does it necessarily have to be one person 53 00:03:42,625 --> 00:03:45,585 rather than one idea done by several people? 54 00:03:45,585 --> 00:03:46,585 You got any theories who? 55 00:03:46,585 --> 00:03:49,585 Yeah. I think we have to keep looking at family connections. 56 00:03:49,585 --> 00:03:51,585 Friends of friends, maybe an organised group of vigilantes. 57 00:03:51,585 --> 00:03:54,425 Absolutely. I'm just... 58 00:03:54,425 --> 00:03:58,585 saying, I see a very distinct rage here. 59 00:03:58,585 --> 00:03:59,585 See one or recognise one? 60 00:04:05,585 --> 00:04:07,585 Sorry, that just... 61 00:04:07,585 --> 00:04:08,585 Sorry. 62 00:04:12,265 --> 00:04:16,585 If I'm right, we have a man in jail in Nico Kashell 63 00:04:16,585 --> 00:04:19,585 who can tell us who owns that rage. 64 00:04:19,585 --> 00:04:23,585 Right, I have to go visit my old governor. 65 00:04:23,585 --> 00:04:25,585 I've got to be there at three o'clock. 66 00:04:25,585 --> 00:04:26,785 In the meantime, can you get me 67 00:04:26,785 --> 00:04:29,585 or can someone get me Kashell's home address, please? 68 00:04:29,585 --> 00:04:31,585 Yeah. Do you want me to set up an interview with his wife? 69 00:04:31,585 --> 00:04:33,785 No. Just the address for now. 70 00:04:33,785 --> 00:04:37,585 I could never have done such horrible things to anyone, Lisa. 71 00:04:37,585 --> 00:04:39,585 Let alone a child! 72 00:04:41,585 --> 00:04:44,585 Which is why the case is collapsing, 73 00:04:44,585 --> 00:04:46,585 because I've been the victim of an injustice. 74 00:04:49,585 --> 00:04:54,585 And all I'm asking now is if we could just put the last six months 75 00:04:54,585 --> 00:04:57,585 behind us and get on with the rest of our lives! 76 00:04:59,585 --> 00:05:02,585 You know what surprises me more than anything, Mark? 77 00:05:04,585 --> 00:05:06,585 More than you being out, even? 78 00:05:06,585 --> 00:05:09,585 It's you thinking I would ever want to spend 79 00:05:09,585 --> 00:05:12,585 a moment more with you than these few minutes now. 80 00:05:12,585 --> 00:05:14,585 I sat in court. 81 00:05:15,585 --> 00:05:17,585 I heard the charges. 82 00:05:19,585 --> 00:05:22,585 I wept for that poor child and her family. 83 00:05:24,585 --> 00:05:29,625 I wished you could go to prison for life. 84 00:05:32,585 --> 00:05:35,585 I'm so ashamed of ever having had any feelings for you. 85 00:05:40,425 --> 00:05:43,585 And I want you to leave, now. 86 00:05:53,585 --> 00:05:55,625 I only wanted a place to kip, anyway. 87 00:05:58,585 --> 00:06:00,585 I'll see you around, Lisa. 88 00:06:04,585 --> 00:06:06,265 I promise you that. Hm. 89 00:06:12,585 --> 00:06:13,585 Bitch! 90 00:06:42,585 --> 00:06:44,585 Hello, William. 91 00:06:44,585 --> 00:06:45,945 All right, boss? 92 00:06:45,945 --> 00:06:47,585 Hey! Oh! 93 00:06:48,585 --> 00:06:50,585 Yeah, yeah. Good to see you. 94 00:06:50,585 --> 00:06:52,585 All right. Don't overdo it. 95 00:06:53,625 --> 00:06:55,585 In you go. Oh, thank you. 96 00:06:57,585 --> 00:07:01,585 Sorry about the, er... mess. 97 00:07:01,585 --> 00:07:03,585 I was never one for the old domesticity. 98 00:07:03,585 --> 00:07:05,265 Sandra used to do all that. 99 00:07:05,265 --> 00:07:06,585 Yeah. Sorry to hear about that. 100 00:07:06,585 --> 00:07:07,625 Yeah, well... 101 00:07:07,625 --> 00:07:10,265 They all piss off in the end, don't they? 102 00:07:10,265 --> 00:07:12,585 Can hardly blame them, really, can we? 103 00:07:12,585 --> 00:07:13,585 Coffee? 104 00:07:13,585 --> 00:07:14,585 Er, no. 105 00:07:14,585 --> 00:07:16,585 Tea? No, I'm fine, honestly. 106 00:07:16,585 --> 00:07:17,585 Little sharpener. 107 00:07:17,585 --> 00:07:20,585 I have to be back in town at five, so... 108 00:07:27,585 --> 00:07:29,585 How are you? 109 00:07:29,585 --> 00:07:31,625 Yeah, I'm-I'm good. 110 00:07:31,625 --> 00:07:35,265 Two years clear now, so fingers crossed. 111 00:07:35,265 --> 00:07:37,105 It's great to hear that. 112 00:07:39,585 --> 00:07:40,585 Sit. 113 00:07:46,265 --> 00:07:48,585 So... fire away. 114 00:07:48,585 --> 00:07:50,585 You wanted to hear about the Statham case. 115 00:07:50,585 --> 00:07:51,585 Yeah. 116 00:07:51,585 --> 00:07:53,785 Yeah, I just want to see if there's a link 117 00:07:53,785 --> 00:07:55,585 between that and two new cases. 118 00:07:55,585 --> 00:07:58,585 One GBH, one murder, both known convicted paedophiles. 119 00:07:58,585 --> 00:07:59,585 A link? 120 00:07:59,585 --> 00:08:00,585 Yeah. 121 00:08:00,585 --> 00:08:04,105 What, you mean... It can't be the perpetrator. 122 00:08:04,105 --> 00:08:06,585 Statham's man's doing an eight-stretch, isn't he? 123 00:08:06,585 --> 00:08:07,585 Nico Kashell, yeah. 124 00:08:07,585 --> 00:08:10,585 Actually, if we can... if we can come back to him. 125 00:08:11,585 --> 00:08:15,425 First, I just want to ask you, why do you think the CPS 126 00:08:15,425 --> 00:08:17,585 didn't prosecute Statham for the sexual assault? 127 00:08:17,585 --> 00:08:20,585 Well, the evidence wasn't brilliant. 128 00:08:20,585 --> 00:08:23,625 Why waste time trying to convict a 30-70 case 129 00:08:23,625 --> 00:08:26,945 when you can convict half a dozen 80-20 cases for the same money? 130 00:08:26,945 --> 00:08:28,585 Oh, OK. 131 00:08:31,585 --> 00:08:33,585 And in terms of Kashell... 132 00:08:34,585 --> 00:08:37,265 do you think it was definitely him 133 00:08:37,265 --> 00:08:38,585 who attacked Statham? 134 00:08:39,585 --> 00:08:40,585 He confessed, Will. 135 00:08:40,585 --> 00:08:42,585 Yeah, but, you know, 136 00:08:42,585 --> 00:08:44,585 people confess for all sorts of reasons, don't they? 137 00:08:44,585 --> 00:08:46,585 It's not always cos they did it. 138 00:08:48,585 --> 00:08:55,585 His car was photographed half a mile from Statham's house 139 00:08:55,585 --> 00:08:57,265 an hour before the attack. 140 00:08:57,265 --> 00:08:58,585 We found carpet fibres 141 00:08:58,585 --> 00:09:01,425 similar to the carpet found in Statham's house 142 00:09:01,425 --> 00:09:03,425 inside Kashell's car. 143 00:09:03,425 --> 00:09:05,585 On the passenger side. 144 00:09:10,585 --> 00:09:14,945 I'm not saying that he wasn't involved in some way. 145 00:09:14,945 --> 00:09:16,585 I just... 146 00:09:17,785 --> 00:09:20,585 I don't buy him being the actual assailant. 147 00:09:21,585 --> 00:09:26,625 His little girl had been raped by this man. 148 00:09:28,265 --> 00:09:30,585 He destroyed their lives. 149 00:09:31,585 --> 00:09:33,585 And the rage? 150 00:09:33,585 --> 00:09:36,585 Well, the rage he felt when they dropped the charges - 151 00:09:36,585 --> 00:09:38,585 the rage we all felt... 152 00:09:41,585 --> 00:09:44,585 I believe 100% he could have done what he did. 153 00:09:50,585 --> 00:09:53,585 Give it up, fella. 154 00:09:53,585 --> 00:09:54,585 Eh? 155 00:09:55,585 --> 00:09:59,785 Cos the shape, the order you're looking for... 156 00:10:01,585 --> 00:10:02,585 doesn't exist. 157 00:10:04,585 --> 00:10:07,585 The world is random... 158 00:10:08,585 --> 00:10:10,585 chaotic... 159 00:10:10,585 --> 00:10:12,585 and cruel. 160 00:10:13,785 --> 00:10:16,585 And you know that better than most. 161 00:10:20,585 --> 00:10:22,585 'Guv, it's Josie. 162 00:10:22,585 --> 00:10:24,585 'I've just texted you the Kashell home address, 163 00:10:24,585 --> 00:10:25,585 'but his wife's not back until six.' 164 00:10:25,585 --> 00:10:27,585 'Let me know if you want me to set up an interview.' 165 00:12:02,390 --> 00:12:06,070 If Kashell's wife had known I was coming, she could have wiped it. 166 00:12:06,070 --> 00:12:08,710 Wiped what? You don't even know there's anything on it. 167 00:12:09,710 --> 00:12:12,710 If I'm right, and Kashell is doing someone else's time, 168 00:12:12,710 --> 00:12:14,550 then his wife must have known. 169 00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:16,710 My guess is she would have been in on it, 170 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:18,710 so emails, address books, contacts are a good place to start. 171 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:20,710 Except anything you find you won't be able to use 172 00:12:20,710 --> 00:12:22,710 cos you got the information illegally. 173 00:12:22,710 --> 00:12:25,710 Josie, there are going to be more deaths unless we catch the killer, 174 00:12:25,710 --> 00:12:26,710 so does that really matter? 175 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:27,710 Yes. 176 00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:30,750 Fine. I'll do it myself. 177 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:32,710 OK, fine. I'll do it. 178 00:12:37,710 --> 00:12:39,710 I need to speak to the brief from the CPS 179 00:12:39,710 --> 00:12:42,550 who handled the Statham case. Can you set up a meeting? 180 00:12:42,550 --> 00:12:43,710 Yeah. 181 00:13:06,390 --> 00:13:08,710 So I went through all her contacts, and not surprisingly, 182 00:13:08,710 --> 00:13:11,710 there was no number listed under Debbie Collins or Gail Watkins. 183 00:13:11,710 --> 00:13:14,710 I went back and tried the initials DC and GW, 184 00:13:14,710 --> 00:13:16,710 and that's when I found a number for a Derek Collier. 185 00:13:16,710 --> 00:13:18,710 Did you ring it? And? 186 00:13:18,710 --> 00:13:19,710 Debbie Collins answered. 187 00:13:21,710 --> 00:13:23,710 Yes! 188 00:13:23,710 --> 00:13:24,710 Ha! 189 00:13:26,390 --> 00:13:28,550 Was there any Gail Watkins connection? 190 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:29,710 Not that I've found yet. 191 00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:33,710 So you think it was actually them together, or...? 192 00:13:34,710 --> 00:13:36,910 We'll have to run down both their alibis, 193 00:13:36,910 --> 00:13:39,710 but it seems unlikely, doesn't it? 194 00:13:39,710 --> 00:13:42,710 I mean, they're both small women physically. 195 00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:45,710 I doubt even together they could have overpowered any of those men. 196 00:13:47,230 --> 00:13:48,710 It's not impossible, I guess. 197 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:50,710 Maybe they paid someone. 198 00:13:51,710 --> 00:13:54,710 Maybe, but maybe they didn't want money. 199 00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:57,910 Maybe a sense of justice done was enough. 200 00:13:57,910 --> 00:13:59,710 Justice done for who? 201 00:13:59,710 --> 00:14:03,710 For the families, yeah, but why would someone else do that for them, 202 00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:06,070 commit such brutal assaults? 203 00:14:06,070 --> 00:14:07,710 Cos they could. 204 00:14:09,710 --> 00:14:12,070 Cos they were unhinged. 205 00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:17,230 Cos they understood that pain. 206 00:14:25,710 --> 00:14:27,710 'It had nothing to do with a lack of evidence.' 207 00:14:27,710 --> 00:14:31,710 If we think any case stands half a decent chance of success, 208 00:14:31,710 --> 00:14:34,710 particularly one as serious as Statham's, we take it to trial, 209 00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:37,710 and in this instance, we authorised charges. 210 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:38,750 So why didn't it go? 211 00:14:38,750 --> 00:14:40,710 This is all in the files. 212 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:42,710 It was the parents. 213 00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:43,910 They withdrew their cooperation. 214 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:46,710 What do you mean? 215 00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:48,710 Sorry - they withdrew their cooperation? 216 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:50,710 Yes, they didn't want their daughter to testify 217 00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:52,710 or to be examined by counsel. 218 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:54,710 Despite all the special measures we put in place, 219 00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:57,710 they thought it would be too traumatic for her. 220 00:14:57,710 --> 00:14:58,710 Might have still secured a conviction 221 00:14:58,710 --> 00:15:01,550 but it would have made it extraordinarily difficult. 222 00:15:01,550 --> 00:15:04,710 OK. OK. I need to talk to you about couple of other cases. 223 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:06,710 Oh, no, I'm sorry, I've got to go to a conference. 224 00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:09,550 Or you could just come down the station. 225 00:15:11,710 --> 00:15:13,710 Which cases? 226 00:15:13,710 --> 00:15:16,710 So, the parents in the Collins, Dawlish and Statham cases 227 00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:19,710 all caused them to collapse themselves by withdrawing 228 00:15:19,710 --> 00:15:21,750 the cooperation of their children from the police and the CPS 229 00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:23,710 within the same three-month period. 230 00:15:23,710 --> 00:15:25,710 And why would anyone do that? 231 00:15:25,710 --> 00:15:27,710 Exactly. 232 00:15:27,710 --> 00:15:29,710 It's completely counterintuitive, 233 00:15:29,710 --> 00:15:33,710 unless... you come at it from a different angle and ask yourselves 234 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:38,710 if maybe they wanted to keep the suspects out of prison. 235 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:40,710 Shit! 236 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:41,710 They thought prison was a let-off. 237 00:15:41,710 --> 00:15:44,710 Exactly. 238 00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:46,710 I think this group of parents 239 00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:49,710 collectively decided on a far worse punishment 240 00:15:49,710 --> 00:15:50,710 for their children's abuser. 241 00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:53,710 And how did they justify their sudden non-cooperation to the CPS? 242 00:15:53,710 --> 00:15:54,710 They just... 243 00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:57,710 They just said it would be to traumatic for the kids. 244 00:15:57,710 --> 00:15:59,710 We need to speak to Debbie Collins again. 245 00:15:59,710 --> 00:16:04,230 Yes, and we need to get a warrant for Nico Kashell's house. 246 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:06,710 It's time to pay his wife a visit. 247 00:16:09,710 --> 00:16:11,710 So am I under arrest? 248 00:16:11,710 --> 00:16:12,710 No. 249 00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:14,710 Greta, you're not under arrest. 250 00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:17,710 But I am gonna ask you some questions 251 00:16:17,710 --> 00:16:18,910 and I do have to caution you 252 00:16:18,910 --> 00:16:21,710 and tell you that you don't have to say anything, 253 00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:23,710 but it may harm your defence if you do not mention 254 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:25,710 when questioned something you later rely on in court, 255 00:16:25,710 --> 00:16:27,710 and anything you do say may be used in evidence, OK? 256 00:16:29,710 --> 00:16:30,710 Yes. 257 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:32,710 OK. 258 00:16:33,710 --> 00:16:36,710 Why would you disguise Debbie's name 259 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:39,710 unless you didn't want people to know that you were connected to her? 260 00:16:39,710 --> 00:16:41,710 I don't know. 261 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:45,710 Maybe I was worried when her husband got attacked. 262 00:16:45,710 --> 00:16:47,710 Worried that we might think you were involved? 263 00:16:47,710 --> 00:16:49,390 Maybe. Are you? 264 00:16:49,390 --> 00:16:50,710 No. 265 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:54,070 So when did you last speak to her? 266 00:16:55,710 --> 00:16:58,710 Er... I don't know, maybe a year ago? 267 00:16:58,710 --> 00:17:00,710 And how did you know her? 268 00:17:00,710 --> 00:17:04,710 There was a group I went to for families 269 00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:07,710 who'd been affected by abuse. 270 00:17:07,710 --> 00:17:09,550 Was it this one? 271 00:17:11,710 --> 00:17:12,710 Yeah. 272 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:13,910 Did you meet Gall Watkins there? 273 00:17:15,710 --> 00:17:17,710 Er... I only went a couple of times. 274 00:17:17,710 --> 00:17:19,070 I really don't remember. 275 00:17:20,550 --> 00:17:21,710 Who ran it? 276 00:17:21,710 --> 00:17:22,710 Er... 277 00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:26,710 It was a circle, you sat in a circle of chairs and just talked. 278 00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:27,710 I don't think anyone... 279 00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:30,710 Someone must have booked the hall, mustn't they? 280 00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:31,710 I guess. 281 00:17:31,710 --> 00:17:33,710 Well, whose number's this? 282 00:17:33,710 --> 00:17:35,710 It was just an answering service 283 00:17:35,710 --> 00:17:37,710 so that you could let them know if you were going. 284 00:17:37,710 --> 00:17:38,710 Where was it? 285 00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:42,710 Some sort of old council building, I think it was. 286 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:45,710 It was... behind Warren Street. 287 00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:52,070 Greta, this file of phone contacts was amended on the day 288 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:53,910 that Ray Collins was murdered. 289 00:17:53,910 --> 00:17:55,710 In fact... 290 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:57,710 I mean, look at that, 291 00:17:57,710 --> 00:18:00,550 it was only two hours after our estimated time of his death. 292 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:13,390 I have a daughter who was sexually abused 293 00:18:13,390 --> 00:18:17,710 and a husband serving eight years in a high security prison, 294 00:18:17,710 --> 00:18:19,710 so perhaps you'll understand why 295 00:18:19,710 --> 00:18:24,710 I don't weep for men like Collins, but I didn't kill him. 296 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:28,710 Debbie did call me to tell me what had happened, but when he died, 297 00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:30,710 I was in church with my daughter. 298 00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:36,710 Thanking God for giving us all the strength we needed to survive. 299 00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:41,070 She might have been telling the truth about her alibi, 300 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:43,710 but she's lying about other stuff. 301 00:18:43,710 --> 00:18:45,710 They all are. 302 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:48,390 We keep the pressure on. 303 00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:49,710 'So, we just wanted to talk to you' 304 00:18:49,710 --> 00:18:52,710 about something you said last time we spoke. 305 00:18:53,710 --> 00:19:00,710 You said, "I struggle to cope with all the guilt at what he did, 306 00:19:00,710 --> 00:19:03,710 "what his lawyer did, what the CPS did to our family." 307 00:19:05,230 --> 00:19:07,710 And I find that a bit odd. 308 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:10,710 Cos actually, it was you who withdrew your cooperation 309 00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:12,390 and caused the case to collapse, wasn't it? 310 00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:14,390 Who told you that? 311 00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:15,710 I spoke with the CPS. 312 00:19:15,710 --> 00:19:17,710 Did they tell you why I withdrew cooperation? 313 00:19:17,710 --> 00:19:19,070 Why don't you tell me? 314 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:21,710 Because your lot messed up. 315 00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:23,910 You interviewed one of my girls without a responsible adult. 316 00:19:23,910 --> 00:19:25,550 Because my solicitor said 317 00:19:25,550 --> 00:19:27,710 the defence would have made mincemeat of her. 318 00:19:27,710 --> 00:19:29,710 Well, why not just have her be interviewed again? 319 00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:32,910 I'm guessing you don't have kids. 320 00:19:34,550 --> 00:19:35,750 So you don't know what it's like, 321 00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:38,710 watching someone you love more than anything else in the world 322 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:42,710 have to dredge it all up again and again and again. 323 00:19:43,710 --> 00:19:44,710 That's why. 324 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:51,710 Hm. 325 00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:56,710 Tell me about your relationship with Greta Kashell. 326 00:19:58,710 --> 00:20:00,710 I don't have a relationship with Greta Kashell. 327 00:20:00,710 --> 00:20:02,710 Yeah, but you know she is, don't you? 328 00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:03,710 I met her a few times. 329 00:20:03,710 --> 00:20:04,910 Where? 330 00:20:04,910 --> 00:20:08,710 At a support group I went to occasionally, but we're not friends. 331 00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:12,710 I've met her... We've spoken maybe twice in as many years. 332 00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:13,710 And Gail Watkins? 333 00:20:13,710 --> 00:20:15,710 Same. At SCAR? 334 00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:17,710 Yes. 335 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:24,710 Debbie, we have a warrant to search your house. 336 00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:27,710 When we do, we're going to go through your phone records 337 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:30,710 and your computer and your diaries and your address books. 338 00:20:31,710 --> 00:20:33,710 You really think it was us? 339 00:20:33,710 --> 00:20:34,710 Was it? 340 00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:36,710 No. 341 00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:38,710 Did you ask someone to do it for you? 342 00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:40,710 No. Do you know who did it? 343 00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:41,710 No. 344 00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:48,710 Debbie, this is your chance, 345 00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:50,710 this is your opportunity to tell us your side of the story. 346 00:20:53,230 --> 00:20:57,710 Because I think in your heart you want to talk to me. 347 00:20:57,710 --> 00:21:00,710 I think you are involved in these events somehow, 348 00:21:00,710 --> 00:21:02,710 and I think you regret it. 349 00:21:03,910 --> 00:21:05,910 I think you regret it very much. 350 00:21:09,070 --> 00:21:10,710 I think you wanna talk. 351 00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:17,710 No. 352 00:21:17,710 --> 00:21:19,710 I have nothing further to say. 353 00:21:29,710 --> 00:21:33,710 The assault and murder last week of as yet unnamed man. 354 00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:36,910 It's been confirmed by local residents that both men have been 355 00:21:36,910 --> 00:21:42,390 arrested previously in connection with allegations of child sex abuse. 356 00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:43,710 Now, other news, 357 00:21:43,710 --> 00:21:46,710 and in the City, the FTSE 100 is up... 358 00:21:55,710 --> 00:21:57,710 Staffe. 359 00:21:57,710 --> 00:21:59,750 A result from the search of Debbie Collins' house. 360 00:21:59,750 --> 00:22:02,230 This was found in a kitchen drawer. 361 00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:05,070 It's got Greta Kashell in there and Gail Watkins 362 00:22:05,070 --> 00:22:06,710 and a number of other names 363 00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:09,710 which I'm guessing are other parents that she met at the support group. 364 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:14,710 Can I... 365 00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:17,230 OK, OK, we need to run this through Intel, PNC, CMS, 366 00:22:17,230 --> 00:22:18,710 Custody and Command And Control. 367 00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:20,710 I want to know what the crimes against their kids were, 368 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:22,710 whether the suspects were prosecuted, 369 00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:25,710 where all the suspects are now and where all those parents were 370 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:28,710 when Statham, Collins and Dawlish were attacked. 371 00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:31,710 Ah, yeah, we're getting closer, we're getting closer. 372 00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:34,710 This is good work, Dave. 373 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:49,460 Oi. 374 00:22:49,460 --> 00:22:51,460 Present. 375 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:52,960 We all clubbed together. 376 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:53,960 You shouldn't have. 377 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,960 That's what I said. It's just man flu. 378 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,960 Er, so the answering service number, did you get any joy from BT? 379 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,640 Yeah, name and an address. 380 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,960 Unfortunately, the name's John Smith, 381 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,960 line and bills were registered to a serviced office in the city. 382 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,960 What about how they paid? 383 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,960 I'm waiting to hear back from the billing department. 384 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,960 They said it might take a couple of days, so... 385 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,000 Jesus, all right! 386 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,960 Almost making me feel guilty. 387 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,960 Almost. 388 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,960 Right, I'm off to the SCAR meeting hall. 389 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,960 Call me on the billing as soon as. 390 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,000 OK. Just to be clear, this isn't what you give sick people. 391 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,960 It hasn't been for about 20 years. 392 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,480 It tastes nice, though, doesn't it? 393 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,960 I'll let you know, girls, all right? 394 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,960 Well, as I said, they always paid in cash, I remember that. 395 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,960 So when was the last time they came? 396 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,960 What? The SCAR group, when was the last time they met? 397 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:12,960 Oh, I don't know. 398 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,800 About 18 months ago. 399 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:15,960 Here's the paperwork. 400 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,960 I should have chucked this out. 401 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,960 In fact, I only saw it was still there when you rang. 402 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,960 Do you think if we asked you to take part in a video ID, 403 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,960 you'd be able to recognise any of the people that were here? 404 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,960 Maybe the ones that paid you the rent? 405 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,960 Oh, I don't know, really. 406 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,160 Long time ago. 407 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,320 Maybe. 408 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,160 OK. Well, we'll give you a shout when we're done. 409 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,640 Thanks a lot for your help. 410 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,640 Give me that. 411 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,960 It's just a kid's drawing. 412 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Will? 413 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,960 This is printed on a HOLMES page. 414 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,960 Our HOLMES? 415 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,480 Yeah. 416 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,960 Only a copper would be able to print this out. 417 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,960 Yeah. 418 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,960 RINGING 419 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,960 Staffe. 420 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Shit. When? 421 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,640 OK. 422 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,960 Nico Kashell just tried to top himself. 423 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,960 Shit! 424 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,960 I'm beginning to have a very unpleasant thought. 425 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,960 Kashell would have known Bob Jessop pretty well. 426 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,960 He'd have had a lot of contact with him through the investigation. 427 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Whoa, that is quite a thing. 428 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,960 Do you seriously think Jessop could be involved? 429 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,960 I dunno. This way. 430 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,160 I dunno, I hope not, but... 431 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,960 I'm going to consider it a possibility anyway. 432 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,960 I guess. 433 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,960 Just keep this between us, yeah? 434 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,320 Of course. 435 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,320 DI Jessop. 436 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,960 What about him? 437 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,960 Well... 438 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:11,960 you must have got to know him through the investigation. 439 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,160 I met him twice. 440 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,320 Our relationship was with the family liaison officer. 441 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,800 Hardly knew Jessop. 442 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,320 Who attacked Statham, Nico? 443 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,800 Cos it wasn't you, was it? 444 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,960 Did you pay someone? 445 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,960 Did Jessop introduce you to someone? 446 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,960 I mean, you're an accountant, for Christ's sake! 447 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,960 How did you-how did you get hold of chloroform, huh? 448 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960 How did you get into his house? Guv. 449 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,960 Just stop lying to us, you little prick! Guv! 450 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,960 'We will all be scarred by this for the rest of our lives.' 451 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,320 'I dreamed about killing him a million times. 452 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,960 'I thought about what I'd do, to make him suffer. 453 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,800 'The rage he felt when they dropped the charges - 454 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,960 'the rage we all felt...' 455 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,160 He's not a happy bunny. 456 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,160 What? 457 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,800 I went through the list and checked all the names. 458 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,960 Of the other victims' cases, they all went to trial, no halted cases, 459 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,960 no parents pulling out... 460 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,960 OK. OK. 461 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,960 Except then, this morning, 462 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,960 I saw an update on HOLMES 463 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,960 relating to one of the surnames in Debbie Collins' diary, 464 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,480 another parent whose daughter 465 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,000 was allegedly assaulted by a man named Mark Regis. 466 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,960 This guy? 467 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,960 Yeah. 468 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,480 So it turns out that Regis was released two days ago, 469 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,960 when the victim's family suddenly withdrew their cooperation. 470 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,960 Do we have an address for him? 471 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,960 His bail address was his wife's, 472 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,960 but she just told me she chucked him out. 473 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,960 Did she have any idea where he went? 474 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,320 No. Well, we need to find him, now. 475 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,960 Yeah, can I have the number for my local police station, please? 476 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,960 That's OK. 477 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,960 Hello? 478 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,960 And Harry's really loved spending time with you, so thank you. 479 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,960 What time are you pushing off tomorrow? 480 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,160 Paolo's got a job interview about three o'clock, 481 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,960 then he'll come back here and we'll probably push off then. 482 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,960 I mean... You can... 483 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,960 You could stay tomorrow night if you want. I can cook you something. 484 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,960 He's got to meet a friend in town, so... 485 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,320 Well, why don't the three of us go out, 486 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,960 you, me and Harry, catch a film? 487 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,480 It's probably just best that I go with him. 488 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,960 Well, I'm gonna miss you both. 489 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:30,960 He's asked me to marry him. 490 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,960 He wants to have more children, a brother or sister for Harry... 491 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,960 a-and you know how much I wanted a real family, Will. 492 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,960 And he's the loveliest person when he doesn't drink, I promise you. 493 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,960 Dinner! 494 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,960 Well, if, um... 495 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,960 if that's what'll make you happy... 496 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,960 I'm happy for you. 497 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,800 Mm, smells delicious. 498 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,960 Thank you. 499 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,960 What is this? 500 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,320 Risotto. Mushroom. 501 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,960 Hey. 502 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,960 You've been ignoring my calls. 503 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,800 Er, yeah, sorry. 504 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,960 Work's been insane. 505 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,960 Well, I was just calling to say if you do need me tomorrow, 506 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,960 I'm still around. 507 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:22,960 How about if I need you now? 508 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960 'We can certainly expect some thunder and heavy rain, 509 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,960 'lasting well into the afternoon, 510 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,960 'with scattered showers carrying on until the night...' 511 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,960 'Heavy showers and high humidity levels. 512 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,960 'This will last well into the evening...' 513 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,960 'It was the last attack. 514 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,960 'Police believe that further assaults may be possible 515 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,960 'and have asked members of the public...' 516 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,000 Fuck! 517 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960 So is this the case? 518 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,960 Or tomorrow, or...? 519 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,640 Christ knows. 520 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,960 Hardly even know my own name at the moment. 521 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,960 My latest wild theory is that Bob Jessop did it. 522 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,960 How's old Bob? 523 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,960 Yeah, if you think I'm in bad shape... 524 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,960 I heard Sandra left him. 525 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,640 How did you hear that? 526 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,960 You know. She rang me after you and me split. 527 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,960 We stayed in touch. 528 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,960 I've always liked Sandra. 529 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,960 She didn't deserve what he did. 530 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,960 What did he do? 531 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,960 Had an affair. 532 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,960 What? 533 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,640 You're joking me? 534 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,960 Somebody actually let Bob Jessop put his penis inside them. 535 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,960 I thought you knew. 536 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,320 Oh, my God! 537 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,160 Who was the unlucky lady? 538 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,960 Some woman from the CPS. 539 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,960 Yeah? He met her on a case. 540 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,960 A Ruth... 541 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,000 Ruth... someone. 542 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,960 Boss, it's me. 543 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,960 It's Will. 544 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,960 I need to talk to you. 545 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,160 I know you were seeing Ruth 546 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,960 at the same time that she was handling the Kashell case. 547 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,960 I can see your light from the street, sir. 548 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,960 I know you're in there. 549 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,960 Open the door, sir! 550 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,960 Suppose you'd better come in, then. 551 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,480 Argh! 552 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,640 I told you to walk away, lad! 553 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,960 Yeah? Boss? 554 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,960 Yeah? You all right? 555 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,960 Yeah. 556 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,960 What's up? 557 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,640 Bob Jessop just sent us a note. 558 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,640 It's a confession to the attacks. 559 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,960 I'm on my way. 560 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,960 'It was dropped in by him at two in the morning' 561 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,960 and it's a full confession to Statham, Collins and Dawlish. 562 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,960 We've got a team checking the airports and the ports, 563 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,960 but that was only opened at eight, so he'll have a head start. 564 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,640 If you're gonna run... 565 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960 why not just run? 566 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,960 And why all this? 567 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,960 Unless it's a distraction. 568 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,960 You said we've got people searching the ports for Jessop, 569 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,960 searching the airports. 570 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,960 Have we got anyone looking for him? 571 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,960 Mark Regis? Oh, shit! 572 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,960 We've got an address for him now, so... 573 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,960 I'm coming. 574 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960 And, you know, I'm sure I'm wrong, 575 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960 Jessop's our man and Regis is fine 576 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,960 but it's just best to check, OK? 577 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,960 What's that? 578 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,960 It's a list of SCAR attendees. 579 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,960 The one we found at Debbie Collins' house. 580 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,320 Richard and Rebecca Allerton? 581 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,960 Yeah? 582 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,960 What was their story? 583 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,960 Er, their daughter was raped three years ago. 584 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,960 There was a full investigation but no-one was caught. 585 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,960 Er... 586 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,960 OK. 587 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,960 OK, um, you guys... 588 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,640 I'll meet you downstairs, all right, I'm just going to make a call. 589 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:44,960 'Rick.' 590 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,960 Hello, Will. 591 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960 'Hi. Where are you?' 592 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,000 Oh, just, er, out. 593 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,640 'Do we need to talk?' 594 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,960 What about? 595 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:01,960 'You and your missus.' 596 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,960 Why would we need to talk about me and Becca? 597 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,000 I've just seen a couple's name on a list. 598 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,960 Richard and Rebecca Allerton. 599 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,960 'That's a good spot. 600 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,960 'We never did get married in the end.' 601 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,320 Er... Right, you got a pen and I'll give you an address? 602 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,960 Poplar DLR... 603 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,000 You go on. 604 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,960 Something else has come up. 605 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,960 Is everything OK? 606 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,960 It's fine. 607 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,800 I'll meet you there. 608 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,160 Hello, sir. 609 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,960 You called our station. 610 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960 Yeah, I did. Thanks for coming, officer. 611 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,960 My pleasure entirely, Mark. 612 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960 This one here. 613 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,960 Yeah. 614 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,960 Mr Regis? 615 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,800 Mr Regis, it's DI Pulford and DC Chancellor from the police. 616 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,960 We just want to make sure you're OK. 617 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,960 Mr Regis? 618 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,960 Mr Regis, are you down here? 619 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,960 Rick? 620 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,800 Rick? 621 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,800 Hello, mate. 622 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,960 Do go through. 623 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960 Oh, Jesus Christ! 624 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,960 Fun and games, eh? 625 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,480 MARK GROANS 626 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,960 Rick, what are you doing? This is insane! 627 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,960 Do you know what Mark here did to his victims, the details? 628 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,960 Yeah, I read the files. He raped her, Will. 629 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,800 I didn't. 630 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,320 When she was 11 years old. 631 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,960 And then, he told her if she went to the police he'd find out 632 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,320 where she lived and then rape and kill her mother. 633 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,960 Been a bit of a star at school up till then. 634 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,960 Six months later, she's cutting herself, smoking weed. 635 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,000 Now, my little... 636 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,480 Siany... 637 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,960 chose pills. 638 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,960 Becca found her in time. 639 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960 I'm so sorry, Rick. 640 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,960 I didn't know any of that till today. 641 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,960 No, well, why should you? Private matter. 642 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,960 Yeah, so, the thing is, it's not enough, is it, just to lock them up? 643 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,000 Not even to kill them. 644 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,960 What they really need to understand is the pain... 645 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,960 so then they can tell the others like them 646 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,960 what it's like and then maybe, maybe they'll stop. 647 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,960 Yeah. 648 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,160 I mean, I'm not gonna lie, it's hard to get it right, 649 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,960 and one of the fuckers went and died on me, 650 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,800 so I'm gonna go easy on old Mark here. 651 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,640 Please, please don't. 652 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,960 Rick. Rick! What do you reckon? 653 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,960 Both feet? 654 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,000 Foot and a hand? What about Becca and Siany? 655 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,960 Huh? How are they gonna cope? 656 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960 How are they gonna cope with the pain 657 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,960 of you been taken away for a life sentence? 658 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,800 Ah. Already lost me, I'm afraid. 659 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,960 You were wrong about the man flu. 660 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,800 Tumour. 661 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,960 Metastasised, 662 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,960 stage IV as of three weeks ago. 663 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,960 There is no stage V. 664 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,960 'Guv, it's Josie.' 665 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,480 Just wondering where you are. Call me. 666 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,960 Did he say anything about where he was going, Ray? 667 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,960 'No, but... Oh, hang on. 668 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,800 'Yeah, there's a post-it on his desk. 669 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,320 'An address in Poplar.' 670 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,960 It was actually at the Marsden where I met Bob Jessop, 671 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,960 and we got chatting, as you do. 672 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,960 Found out we were both old bill, and then one day, 673 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,960 he started to tell me about the Kashell case. 674 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,960 Course, then I told him all about... 675 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,960 Siany, and... 676 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,960 he suggested we try SCAR 677 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,640 cos Greta and Nico went there, 678 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,160 and then we did. 679 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,960 You know? 680 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,960 We all knew it wasn't enough. 681 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,960 And then... 682 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,160 well, 683 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,960 one day Bob had this idea... 684 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,960 for a rougher type of justice. 685 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,960 After I did what I did to Statham, I was asked to stop, 686 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,800 but then last month I found out I only had a few weeks and I thought, 687 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,960 "No, fuck it, let's have some fun." 688 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,960 And then when you rang just now, well, I thought, "Yeah... 689 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,960 "this is my chance... 690 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,960 "to give something back." 691 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,160 Something back? 692 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,960 A chance for you to see what it looks like, what it feels like, 693 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,960 proper revenge. 694 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,960 You think I could do something like this? 695 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,960 If you had the people who killed your parents 696 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,480 here in this room right now, yes, mate, I do. 697 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,480 But, eh, there's no point arguing the toss. 698 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,960 Let's just find out... 699 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,960 what it feels like. 700 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,960 No. 701 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,960 Gov? 702 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:24,960 Gov! 703 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,960 Sorry, sweetheart. 704 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,960 Will! 705 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,960 Arrgh... 706 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,480 Got it. 707 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,960 Cheers. 708 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,160 They've got Jessop. 709 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,960 Where? 710 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:02,960 Dover. 711 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,960 How much do you think they did know? The other families? 712 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,960 Enough. 713 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,320 Bring 'em in. 714 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,960 All of them. 715 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:54,320 Listen, um... if you and Paolo ever need any time to yourself, 716 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,960 I mean, then Harry can always come and stay at mine. 717 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,000 I mean, I'll take leave, I'll do whatever needs to be done 718 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,960 just to make sure that his well-being 719 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,960 was our number one priority. 720 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,960 We'll be fine. 721 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,960 Thank you. 722 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,960 Bye, Uncle Will.